The Cyberlaw Podcast: Interview with Tim Mauer

By Stewart Baker
Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 8:15 AM

Whether they call it the or the “Ohsh*t!bit,” governments are learning that the exercise internet of things is giving away their geospatial secrets at a rapid clip. walks us through what most in the U.S. would call a security disaster—and how it could become an intelligence bonanza. As an example of what can be done, Jeffrey Lewis highlights .

Of course, as soon as authoritarian governments learn to use fitbits to oppress their people, we can expect the European Union and the Wassenaar export control group to slap export controls on them.  Meredith Rathbone reports on the effort to persuade Europe and Wassenaar not to throw the security industry out with the intrusion software. Turns out that progress is being made on both fronts.

Nick and I talk through the latest stories on Russian cyberspying. Meduza and Buzzfeed have a persuasive and dispiriting story about how might have been forced to cooperate with the Russian FSB. Looking at questions being raised about , we conclude that Balkanization of cybersecurity products is a near certainty, with the only question being how many markets there will be.

Speaking of Russia, the , not prominent among hacking intelligence agencies until now, have apparently counted cybercoup on the Russians.

Meredith and I dig into the latest round in the between Max Schrems and Facebook. We call it a draw, with special props to Facebook for creativity in arguing that Schrems is no longer a consumer because he’s obviously turned suing Facebook into a profession.

And, in an overdue event, coming to an ATM near you.

Finally, in the interview, we talk to , co-director of the Cyber Policy Initiative and author of the new book, “.” Tim tells us the hidden story behind his book’s title and then jumps into a fascinating comparative study of how different governments try (or don’t try) to control the hackers they recruit, because it turns out that they all recruit hackers, just in very different ways. Tim points out an increasing fad for having hackers from one country move to another country to ply their trade. (North Koreans to China; Chinese to Africa) and the additional deterrence options this offers the U.S. government.

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